Board Thread:Wiki Improvements/@comment-4146635-20131207205009/@comment-5384369-20140102235307

Jessie1010 wrote:

You're like, countering you're own argument. Exactly, not many people even go and edit them. So why have them when they're just gonna hang there the entire time? We can't just rely on DanTD and the few other users (who may not even exist) to finish transcripts. Red, did you read the solution I put? There shouldn't be any grammar mistakes once they're check over and if they're are, the user will have to message an admin. I don't think there are users who will make it a point to vandalize transcripts all the time BUT there are users who WILL vandalize them and they will pop up every now and then and it WILL be very hard to find those vandalized areas of a page due to the length of the page. I mean I have seen plenty of users change the smallest of things for a cheap laugh. "Austin, we need to write a song" can very easily be changed to "Austin, we need to write a thong" and it will go unnoticed.

Worrying about people not editing them, you can make the same argument for the stub pages or some of the other pages. The last time someone edited the Mimi Moon/Gallery was in March. Of 2013. I know part of it is because Mimi only appeared a few times and pictures are already there, you can use the same argument. No one is editing them, they probably won’t in the close future so why have a whole page that no one edits and it only has 31 pictures? Also, a reason why most people don’t edit them is because they barely even know about them. Only a few pages actually has a link to their transcript and not that many people want to take the time (I know you’re going to argue that’s another reason) but DanTD has taken so much time with these and you just want to take it away? DanTD is a really good user who is extremely helpful in making these and unlike some users, makes really good edits instead of irrelevantly commenting on the Auslly page. By taking them away, it’s kind of like taking away hard work that someone has done and good edits (which is not a good example to set). I’m sorry that I was typing to quickly and I missed the word “to other” in between “I go” and “pages” so you must have misinterpreted what I was saying. I fixed “quitar” to “guitar” that is a spelling mistake, it’s been on there for who knows how long, but I don’t go hunting down the person who wrote it and call them a vandal because they spell something wrong. Honestly, all pages have mistakes on them they’re bound to happen, whether on purpose or not, they’re there, and all we can do is try our best to keep the wiki clean. Also did you not read my second to last paragraph’s FIRST SENTENCE: “I agree with your solutions” Seriously? It was right there. So to answer your question again, yes, I did read your solutions, and again, yes, I AGREE WITH YOUR SOLUTIONS. Also, how do some people and the other admins even find “vandals” anyways? I feel as though you’re saying that no one ever checks the less popular pages. I mean, how do you find trolls anyways? Also, the transcript page has the same chance of being vandalized as the Auslly page. And it doesn’t take that long to find out if something is wrong because I would like to think (that you think) that users have the common sense to either do something or say something about an easy to identify mistake. And if it’s a small mistake like missing an “a” or a “the”, I really don’t think people would care THAT much. Yes, we have people who vandalize, and yes, transcripts have the chance to be vandalized, but are we really going to have a few trolls decide the ultimate outcome of whether pages should stay or go?

Jessie1010 wrote: And that makes it okay to have more pages that will rarely be edited? At least those pages have material on them and are mostly just information. Transcipts are different and they are the actual transcripts to the episode. We can't just leave those unfinished for a year. And honestly, we don't have many DanTD's. And as for accessing the episodes, I honestly feel like the reasons against transcripts overrule keeping them for users who can't access the episode. The episode is all over YouTube and reading it is not the same. I honestly, would love to have a poll and see how many users actually read transcripts. (the sentence “At least those pages have material on them and are mostly just information” clearly implies you don’t think transcripts are informational) but the transcripts are pretty much the closest thing to a primary source of information that the wiki HAS. You just said that some people can’t access the episode to edit the transcript page. Then you say that it’s “all over youtube”, seriously dude, make up your mind. Matt, a while ago, I was trying to figure out how to find a TV show that was no longer airing, there’s a wiki on it, but it’s not finished and need heavy editing (which I plan to do), but I would have loved a transcript, because that at least would’ve been something (Yes, I eventually found the episodes, which was nice (even though it had captions in a different language)). Dude, go ahead and do a poll because if you do, I can do the exact same thing with a lot of the pages on here too. How many people go to Big Dreams & Big Apples/Gallery‏‎, Diners & Daters‏‎, Ferris Wheels & Funky Breath/Gallery, Jean Paul-Paul Jean‏‎, Harmony & Melody, Trevor Jackson/Gallery‏‎, Owen‏‎, Girlfriends & Girl Friends/Gallery‏‎, Auslly/Gallery‏, Coss/Gallery, Jungle Cafe‏‎, Benjy's Bungees‏‎, Deejays & Demos‏‎, Debby Ryan/Gallery‏‎, Unstoppable/Gallery‏‎ or I Got That Rock N' Roll/Gallery‏‎? I can guess that not that many people visit those pages.

Jessie1010 wrote: Well I mean I started the thread to discuss whether or not we should keep transcripts because I feel they are unneeded. I should be able to give my opinion and contribute to the discussion. This thread is for the wiki not for myself.

Matt, look at your title, and look at how many people message you. You have got to see that you have some impact on other people. You CLEARLY do not want the transcripts. So, I really don’t see the point in asking anyone their opinion when you don’t want them in the first place. The way I’m seeing it, you’re saying “I want to get rid of the transcripts. Do you agree with me or not?” That is not asking for an opinion. That is asking for an argument because you’re going to go into it with an opinion already. Asking for others opinions should be when you are uncertain and you are able to see both pros and cons and you should be able to acknowledge the other side without an instant rebuttal.