Thread:Red Compassion, Red Love, Red Hate/@comment-5866624-20130807053054/@comment-5384369-20130811172951

Wow. Gone one week. Seriously? One week! (Okay, well a lot can happen in a day, but still)

First of all. What is with people going onto MY message wall and joining conversations that don’t concern them whatsoever? And no, “defending your friends” is not an excuse. It is seriously the most whacked up excuse ever. Why? Because it just gives a people a reason to be mean, rude, break guidelines and do whatever else they please. Reality check guys, it doesn’t work like that. Defending your friends doesn’t mean you can swear, doesn’t mean you can be mean to whoever you want just because you don’t like them, and it certainly doesn’t give you the right to break guidelines. Ever.

Guys, unless you have a valid reason for intruding into my message wall and responding, I would suggest that you just stay away. Seriously, don’t come to my message wall and like practically spam me with about 20 messages when about 18 of them weren’t needed in the first place.

Here we go, responding to about each reply that I have something to say something about it… Shaynene16 wrote: She did not hack me, I trusted her with my password. I know you're doing this because you want her demoted for revenge. Okay. You know you could have just left out that last sentence? Tip of advice: Don’t assume things you aren’t 100% sure about. Don’t state things as a fact when it’s not. Although it may be true or not, I really don’t know, don’t make assumptions. It’s really not worth it. You could have left it “She did not hack me, I trusted her with my password.” But no, you really just had to add that last part. I’m not sure what you were thinking when you added that, because I can almost guarantee that you weren’t thinking that this wouldn’t turn into a big thing. Maybe you weren’t the person who really started it, but seriously… c’mon.

Foreverauslly2011 wrote: No, Kent. You have CROSSED the line. You are NOT getting by like this. No. Ban me Red. Go ahead. I don't give a single ****. You are ONE CRUEL ******* (Ban me, Red. Ban me. c: ) Kent. Rose and Shay were just playing around, hacking EACH OTHER. They KNEW about it. Rose is INNOCENT. She does NOT deserve a punishment. I will do ANYTHING to defend her. She is INNOCENT. Although I do admire your loyalty, stay out of it. Shay already said that she trusted her with her password. It was done (mostly). What I don’t’ understand is why you think that you’re SO important in this. Yes, I may have seemed harsh in that last sentence, but seriously, how does this concern you? What part do you have in this? All I see it is you just seeing this as an opportunity to let out all your anger about Kent. Hey, I may be wrong, but seriously, the first message you write contains 1 almost swear would that STILL get you a warning and a swear word that will give you a warning and possibly a ban (well, if they were at different times, then it would probably be a ban). What really ticks me off is that you KNEW that what you said was wrong, but you still said it.

Also, I feel like you don’t know the whole story either, so you’re not really helping. Shay says she trusted her with her password, and you pretty much contradict that whole thing by saying they were “hacking” each other. When you say hacking, then it gets a bit more serious than it really needs to be. And really? What’s with all the uppercase?

I suggest for you to choose your words more wisely. AKA: Remove all the swears and possible swears. Why? Because apparently you don’t have a wide enough vocabulary to express yourself in an intelligent manner, so you result in using petty low life cusses (and the obvious, it breaks like rule 1 of the wiki guidelines). Don’t try to contradict what the other person is saying. Personally the words that I’m focused on are “innocent” and “anything”. Looking at later replies, I would have to say that the word “innocent” isn’t really the right word. And “anything”. Please, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t kill 4,682,396 people and jump off of a cliff just to prove your point. And that also shows me that you’re willing to break guidelines (as you have just demonstrated).

And, all in all: Stay out of it. This didn’t concern you, and your reply wasn’t needed. All it really did was give people a migraine (or at least that’s what happened with me).

Mrs.NiallHoran13 wrote: Sorry for barge in (I happen to stalk the wiki activity Like Niall Horan's Twîtter.) But, I saw the screenshots and The problem was being taken care of by an admin... So.... Why report to another admin when the problem was being taken care of?? I’m actually not going to lecture you. Don’t worry. You handled this without swearing, without making assumptions that could cause problems and you never broke guidelines. You handled this situation maturely and responsibly, by trying to clear up some confusion, and I applaud you for that.

Shaynene16 wrote: Look, Red, I'm sorry that Rose and I probably broke a couple of guideline rules, and you can blame ALL of it on me. I'm the one who convinced her to switch acccounts. I messed with her and at the time it seemed funny. So, you can lecture/rage on me. First off, you didn’t break guidelines. You are allowed to share one account (with the other one’s permission). I mean, look at FashionGal (Cici and Alyssa) They use the same account... Not a big deal. Although I have to say, if you’re practically hacking her by getting her in trouble, than that’s a different story, because what happens on her account is on record, and she will be held accountable for whatever happens on it, whether good or bad. So, my advice for you is just don’t mess with other people’s accounts, because something may go wrong, and although it may not be your intention, something bad could happen, to both you and whoever’s account you’re on that’s not your own, in the long run. So, no, not breaking guidelines when you share passwords and mess with each other a little bit, but for me personally, I just suggest not doing it. Just save yourself the hassle that could come later.

But I do applaud you for taking the responsibility. Foreverauslly2011 wrote: Oh btw, this is me right now, Kent. This is me: Skateboarding Away From Your Lies c: Because that was totally relevant, and I totally needed that. *sarcasm*

HelloKittyR5 wrote: Kent,this doesnt concern u so STAY.OUT.OF.IT and plus Shay trusted her with her password so it isnt hacking.Dude this is just so dumb,doing this to get back at Rose,wow...i dont see why u even care about this situation it doesnt even involve u and plus an admin already knows about this soo this was not needed. Because this involves you too? Because you apparently have something to say that hasn’t already been said? And actually, although intentions my not have been pure, DragonFireProductions has every right to go onto my message wall and give an opinion. Although it may be a bit twisted as a way just to get revenge or whatever the reasoning is, a person can always write a message to me. Tip of advice: Don’t be hypocritical. It’s not helping you.

BloodyRose11 wrote: Really Kent? Fine, let's play your little game, shall we? First of all, I ******* (Yes, I cussed Red. BloodyRose11, the chat mod, cursed. Sue me.) discussed this with Macy, and she had let me off with a warning. Why bring this up to another admin? Oh, that's right, I know. Because you hate ever since I jokely kicked you all those times on that other wiki. As revenge, you wanna make sure I get demoted this time and get in big trouble. But you know what Kent? It's not gonna work. It's not gonna crush me like you think it will. For once in your life, stop being a ****** (Oh no! She cursed again! Le Gasp!) and learn what trust is. Shay trusted me with her password. Learn that one day, while I skate away from your lies. Red, do what you want. Ban me. Block me. Demote me. Make me miserable. I dont really care. I have friends who have my back, that's all that matters. I rest my case. Seriously? What happened to people? Is this what we’re all doomed to become? Ghosts of our former selves? Are we now forced to hold in anger to the point of exploding? Do we just lose our morals? Our ethics? Are we going to have to pretend that we’re just so much more important? Are we going to be forced to stoop down to these low life levels? Are we no better than that bully that pushed us off of the monkey bars? Are we no better than the dirt we walk on? Are we no better than you?

So tell me BloodyRose11, should we all give into temptation of our rage? Should we stoop down to those levels? Should we lose our morals? Should we be mean? Should we be bullies? Should we be rude? Should we swear? Should we act like you just did?

First of all, don’t stoop down to another person’s level. It’s not smart, and it’s not something you want to do. Second of all, don’t curse. I don’t know what is so hard about remembering one little rule. It’s something that your parents should have taught you when you were about 7 years old or younger. What is so hard about that? If I can remember The Gettysburg Address by heart, I don’t see what is so difficult to remember one simple rule. Seriously? It’s there every single day. You can go check if it’s still in the guidelines because I’m positive it’s still there. What is so difficult about that one little rule? Can you tell me? Because I don’t know what’s so problematic with the rule “First, no cursing ”. No seriously. I want you to tell me what is so difficult about those 3 words.

How can you go around telling people not to break guidelines when you know you’re just as bad? You were aware of what you were doing, you were completely conscious of what you were saying, I know because I have proof, but you still did it any way. You had a week to apologize, to at least change what you said, but you didn’t. I seriously don’t know what to do any more. And I’m pretty sure the other admins are just as confused as I am with the behavior of recent and current chat mods. Chat mods complaining about admins being too harsh or why they don't have their chat mod rights any more? Seriously?

Has it ever occurred to you that people don’t like to be kicked out? Or is it all just some big joke? “Ha, ha, ha, let’s just pick on Kent and kick him out of chat for no reason! LOL! I totally won’t consider how he may feel about it! I‘ll just do it any ways! It will be funny!” Tell me BloodyRose11, when you get kicked out, do you like it? When you get reprimanded by the admins, do you like it? No? I didn’t think so, it feels pretty bad and angering, doesn’t it? Now tell me, if all of those times were for a reason, how would you feel if we just decided to do it for no reason whatsoever? What if the admins just wanted to pick on you just for a cheap laugh? Yeah, not so funny, now, is it? It’s not sunny for you, and I doubt that Kent thinks it’s funny too.

Stop making it seem like this is some big emergency. The world will not blow to smithereens just because of this one thing. You portray this thing as if he’s practically stalking you and is going to kill you and your family in your sleep. I don’t see why you have to get so worked up over it. He’s not toying with your lifeline or your mental stability, so I don’t see the reason to make it seem like he is.

And lastly, in response to that one message, what kind of “case” was that? That you know how to swear? That you have just made a complete fool of yourself? That you have shown you lose your temper quite easily? That you can challenge me to stoop down to that kind of level of that one message? What kind of case was that?

Jessie1010 wrote: Ok, here is what I have to say.

Overall I think I'm more annoyed with how people reacted to this than to what Kent did. Honestly. And yet, half of the people on this thread complain about why they're no longer chat mod. Seriously? MacyZC55 wrote: I have to agree with Matt. First, I can't believe people who had nothing to do with this got involved. I know you guys were trying to stick up for Rose, but still, that wasn't a good way to say what you wanted to say. What makes me feel more sad and angry is the fact that some of you cursed.
 * 1) Foreverauslly2011 and BloodyRose11, you both know better than to use that language on the wiki. Warnings were sent out.
 * 2) We don't have any rules against giving out passwords and sharing accounts. The guidelines just say be careful with giving personal information in chat, but honestly, if you want to share accounts that's completely fine. So what Rose and Shay did was okay. ‘‘'But’‘', when you use another's account with the other's permission, you have to make sure you are not causing any trouble. Wikia has a rule that says everyone is responsible for what happens on THEIR account. So Shay is responsible for everything Rose does on her account and vice versa. Shay admitted that she intrusted Rose with her password so there is no hacking here at all. Therefore, not Red or any other admin block you and Kent is wrong in his claim.
 * 3) Here is where I am actually very annoyed. How you all handled the situation was uncalled for. Foreverauslly2011, the situation DID NOT involve you whatsoever so you have no reason to have responded to this thread. I understand you were sticking up for Rose but you didn't even do it in a nice way and that's why it's a problem. You're being rude and that IS NOT acceptable. If it happens again, you will be blocked.
 * 4) Same goes for HelloKittyR5. Stay out of it? Really? You should not be talking to Kent the way you did. And this situation did not involve you so you should not have replied to this thread telling ‘‘him’‘ to stay out of it.
 * 5) Ya know what BloodyRose11, after this situation I think I just might consider it. A chat moderator should not use that language. And how you're talking to Red? Really?

Another thing that makes me feel bad and angry is the fact that the screenshots are manipulated. First of all, that's not the whole conversation we had. I can't believe you manipulated the screenshots, Kent. You didn't upload everything, and it looks like you're trying to make ‘‘me’‘ look bad. I look like I was "bashing" on Red. Users who were there know what happened; and know what I said. Trying to change the reality to the way ‘‘you’‘ want is not a way to get out of problems; the way to solve them is facing them. Seriously, I feel horrible after seeing that.

Like Matt said: "Shay admitted that she entrusted Rose with her password so there is no hacking here at all. Therefore, not Red or any other admin block you and Kent is wrong in his claim.", that's why I told Rose I wasn't going to punish her, yet I warned her about the situation.

I've told you before, if you want to say something, do it in a nice way. The way you replied to this tread is just ‘‘unacceptable’‘:
 * 1) DragonFireProductions: You knew you didn't have to do this. Without this thread, Foreverauslly2011 and BloodyRose11 wouldn't have cursed; more users wouldn't be involved, and admins wouldn't be looking for ways to solve this problem; why? Because BloodyRose11, Shaynene16 and I had fixed it yesterday. Plus, the fact you're bringing Red into something she/he has nothing to do makes no sense. You knew I was handling the problem, so why did you do this? It really looks like you're trying to make me look bad. Why didn't you put the part where you said I was "way too nice" because I didn't punish BloodyRose? It ‘‘does’‘ look like you're trying to make me look bad.
 * 2) Foreverauslly2011: You're showing that you care for your "wiki friends", but that's not the way you have to stick up for them; you were a chat moderator, but just because you don't have a star next to your name doesn't mean that you're going to curse whenever you want.
 * 3) BloodyRose11: I'm disappointed. I know you do a good job on chat, but you know you must keep that attitude on the whole Wiki. You know cursing is not allowed.

I am not annoyed because of this; I'm sad and disappointed. A little problem just became big. Agree agree agree. (well mostly. I'm not just sad and disappointed, I'm actually quite irritated.

Jessie1010 wrote: I agree with Macy. I am also just disappointed. But we should be able to take in what was said and put this behind us. If any further action needs to be taken with individuals, it will.

But also, we can't blame DragonFireProductions for BloodyRose11 and Foreverauslly2011 cursing. They did that on their own. DragonFireProductions just provoked them by making this thread which is unacceptable. Guys, this goes to all of you, not just Matt because I’m responding to his message. You have got to realize that I’m not going to give them a get out of jail free pass because you were “provoked” or sticking up for your friends. The truth is, you knew what you were saying, you knew you were being rude and cursing and breaking guidelines, and I’m holding you 100% accountable for your actions.

DragonFireProductions wrote: 1. I'm Kent, for the last time im ever saying again on this wiki.

2. What has Rose ever done for me? She deserved me to tell on her. I know guys, you’re just waiting for me to bash on Kent aren’t you. First of all, I suggest you cool down a little bit. I understand that you may be angry with some of the users on this wiki, but manipulating screenshots and purposefully wanting to get someone in trouble isn’t a good way to vent. From your screenshots, I never really saw anything really wrong or breaking guidelines. I mean, I may have talked to some of the users like BloodyRose11 or Shaynene16 to clarify any misunderstandings, and I’m almost positive I would consult at least an admin to talk about this.

Really, I can’t punish anyone for what you’re accusing them of doing (sharing passwords). And that’s really all there is to it.

Foreverauslly2011 wrote: That's no reason to tell on her, child. That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. Okay, what is with people calling other people “child”? Dude, you’re what? Like 12 years old (I think?) Personally, it’s just a pet peeve of mine when people are use the word “babe” or “child” or “dear” or “hun” and all that jazz. It just annoys me because it makes them seem like they’re that much better so they have to dumb it down for the other person. Just a fun fact about me. - Really, all in all this whole thing annoys me to no end and I really hate it. And ya know what I hate the most about this? No I’m not going to point fingers at anyone other than myself. I hate that I’m being sucked into this. I’m being sucked into this moronic and ludicrous argument because people refuse to grow up. And I’m writing this because I want to, not just because I feel obligated to do so.

Also, because I just got back and probably a lot of talk about this was on chat, because I only know information from this thread only, I may have misinterpreted information or I haven't gotten the whole story or for whatever other reason a person can conjure up.

And because I know people are going to get mad over this and I know people are just gathering information about me for later purposes. If this pulled the heart strings, something was stated as a fact when it wasn't, or offended anyone, that wasn't my intention.